CollectionGeorge III Private Papers
ReferenceGEO/MAIN/15848-15869
Record TypeWritings (documents)
TitleVolume 2
Date3 July 1752-23 September 1766
WriterAllen, Robert
Carr, John
Ribton, George
Wainwright, Robert
Whately, Thomas
Bourke, J
Trevor, A
Howard, Gorges Edmund
Rockingham, 2nd Marquess of
Dowdeswell, William
Cavendish, John, Lord
Onslow, [?Denzil]
AddresseeCarr, John
Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners and Governor of His Majesty's Revenue
Howard, Gorges Edmond
Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners and Governor of His Majesty's Revenue in Ireland
Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners and Governor of His Majesty's Revenue in Great Britain
Davis, Joshua
Whittingham, William
The Right Honourable the Lords of His Majesty's Treasury
Description15848-15850: Cover and presentation of petition concerning the forfeiture of Sir William Hurly's land after the 1688 rebellion, demanding a reward to those who "make a Discovery to the Trustees" concerning attainted land. Mentions Lady Hurly's entitlement to an Estate, John Carr's knowledge of the forfeiture of Sir William Hurly's land, the inability of the Commissioners to sell forfeited land, Carr's death, the referral of the memorial to Gorges Edmond Howard, the fact that Wainwright was advised to come to England to petition, an unfavorable report by Howard and his attempt to invalidate the claim, the Treasury's decision not to enter into the matter, an application for lease of some of the lands discovered by Carr by James Daly, Carr's inablity to prosecute

GEO/MAIN/15851: Schedule of the several Lands forfeited in 1688 by the Attainder of Sir William Hurly, as mentioned in the Inquisition remaining in the Chief Remembrancer's Office is dated the 5th day of December 1696: List of Denominations, total number of acres (both profitable and waste), Hurly's acres (both profitable and waste), and tenant's names to Hurly's Acres

GEO/MAIN/15852-15853: The Commissioners' letter to John Carr Collector at Loughrea. Lletter refers to the forfeiture of the Hurly's land, which was then passes to the Crown after Lady Hurly's death, and a revisionary lease of the lands

GEO/MAIN/15853-15854: To the Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners and Governors of His Majesty's Revenue: Carr describes his reduction of the arrears of rents outstanding since the revolution of 1688, his discovery of concealed chargeable land and forfeited land, his presentation to the board as the first Protestant discoverer and request that the Hurly's land be leased on the death of Lady Hurly, who had died but George III had not received the lands and the memorialist has not been compensated for the fifty pounds he had lost. Carr discusses the tenancy held by "Papists" contrary to a statute, and the memorialists' right to a quarter of any Real Estate discovered after 1700, the exhibition of a bill in chancery by "a papist" against Lady Hurley, the claiming of forfeitures, and the decree that Lady Hurly should pay interest following Lord Hurly's death. Carr mentions that the Hurly Estate should be charged with a lump sum and interest, and demands to be recognised as the first Protestant memorialist of the said forfeiture and to be allowed to profit from the land. Mentions George Ribton's account of his meeting Carr and hearing about his discoveries

GEO/MAIN/15854-15855: Copy of a letter from John Carr to Gorges Edmund Howard: John Carr speaks about the work he has done from personal interest and on behalf of the Crown, his right to a quarter of Hurly's forfeiture and refusal of an offer made to conceal his knowledge of the forfeiture

GEO/MAIN/15855-15856: Copy of a letter from John Carr to Gorges Edmund Howard: John Carr speaks about the work he has done from personal interest and on behalf of the Crown, his right to a quarter of Hurly's forfeiture and refusal of an offer made to conceal his knowledge of the forfeiture

GEO/MAIN/15856: Letter to the Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners and Governors of His Majesty's Revenue of Ireland: Presentation of petition to the board, from whom he received a promise to "grant him all they could allow", and information to the board and the solicitor Marlay

GEO/MAIN/15856-15857: The Case of Robert Wainwright Representative of John Carr with the Opinions of Joshua Davis and William Whittingham Esq: Document records the seizure of Hurly's lands, and Lady Hurly's entitlement to an Estate. The fact that those lands are chargeable for £150, and John Carr claims the right as collector and first discoverer. Wainwright describes the filing of a bill by a "papist" against Lady Hurly, and provides a timeline of events

GEO/MAIN/15858-15859: Letter to the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury in Great Britain -Letter discusses the forfeiture of Hurly's Estate and its vestment in the trustees of Irish forfeiture, and Lady Hurly's entitlement to an Estate. Wainwright claims John Carr as first discoverer and discusses the promise of all the forfeited interests, the practice of appointing discoverer a tenant when it is impossible to sell a forfeited Estate, Lady Hurly's death, John Carr's death intestate, that John Carr deserved a reward for the discovery of profitable land, the Commissioners offered a yearly rent for the land. Letter also addresses that John Carr be put in the possession of the forfeited lands, and Wainright's referral to Commissioners Revenue in Ireland

GEO/MAIN/15859: Report of the Commissioners of the Revenue in Ireland. To the Right Honourable the Lords of His Majesty's Treasury:The receipt of Wainright's memorial concerning Carr and a request to send a report made by Howard, the solicitor

GEO/MAIN/15860-62: Letter to the Right Honourable and Honourable the Chief Commissioners Governors of His Majesty's Revenue of Ireland-Letter demanding that Wainwright, as Carr's representative, be put in the possession of the forfeited lands. Howard lists the various claims made on the land, and discusses a bill filed by Robert Ridge on behalf of a claimant, the forfeiture of Hurly's land, details of Hurly's estate, and a comment that Hurly was "attainted" by the 1688 rebellion. Howard mentions the jointure of the lands to Lady Catherine, the payment of Lady Hurly's interest, the King's entitlement to Lady Hurly's land after her death, another demand as a trustee. Howard discusses John Carr's claims as first Protestant discoverer of the land, and the dispute about the eligibility of this claim

GEO/MAIN/15862: Copy of a Treasury Minute 22nd April 1765: Minutes which record the treasury minutes of Mr Grenville, Lord North and Mr Hunter, which record participants having read a report on Wainwright claiming forfeited Hurly lands, and record a letter having been written on the order of the Commissioners acknowledging Carr as the first discoverer, this then being decided to be a mistake as Mr Ridge had filed this information before Mr Carr

GEO/MAIN/15862-63: Letter to the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury, &c-Letter discussing the referral of the claim to the late Lords Commissioners, the referral to their solicitor for the forfeitures, whose report Wainwright deemed insufficient. Wainwright's research only compiled as the Lord Commissioners were being removed. Wainwright asks for the Commissioners to consider his petition

GEO/MAIN/15863-69: Letter to the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury-Letter concerning the preferment of the claim concerning the discovery of Hurly's forfeited land, the referral to the Commissioners responsible for Ireland, the reply containing the solicitor Howard's report. Wainwright provides criticism of the report, discusses James Daly's request to lease the forfeited landsand the Commissioners' decision that Carr could not be the first discoverer. Wainwright records history of Carr's discoveries and claims, including the previous board's belief that he was the first discoverer and their orders for him to enquire further. Wainwright praises the men on the previous board and their knowledge of the 1688 revolution, argues that the Commissioners cannot have known about the lands. Describes the lands' forfeiture to Lady Hurly, that the 'papist' Ridge discovered the lands after Carr, the charge and interest due from Lady Hurly, Lady Hurly's death and ensuing consequences. Wainwright writes that several lands should be set by the Chief Remembrancer by public cant to the highest bidder. Wainwright records the setting of a rent roll for the lands discovered by Carr, the forfeiture of Hurly's land, the value of the land, and argues that Ridge cannot be a discoverer as he filed his Bill as an incumbrancer. Wainwright lists Carr's achievements and the good he has done for England

GEO/MAIN/15869: Treasury Chambers 23rd September 1766: Presentation of John Carr's claim and "decision to not enter into the matter"
Place Of WritingPrinces Court Story's Gate Westminster
Whitehall Treasury Chambers
LanguageEnglish
Extent1 document (42 pages)
Physical DescriptionManuscript paper in marble paper bound book
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